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	<title>Comments on: Screening Board Results And Some Unsolicited Advice</title>
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	<description>Another useless cry into the void.  Or a good grilled cheese sandwich.</description>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 04:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I probably need to do that.  I&#039;m getting stale, though; been a while since I smelled of diesel and tourmaline grease (although for weekend parties that&#039;s a definite possibility).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I probably need to do that.  I&#8217;m getting stale, though; been a while since I smelled of diesel and tourmaline grease (although for weekend parties that&#8217;s a definite possibility).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-33177</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s that time of year again. Chap, how about positing a refreshed post on the upcoming CO/XO board.

Has anyone ever seen the PRECEPTS LETTER for the submarine CO/XO board?  The aviators post theirs.

Concerned DH</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s that time of year again. Chap, how about positing a refreshed post on the upcoming CO/XO board.</p>
<p>Has anyone ever seen the PRECEPTS LETTER for the submarine CO/XO board?  The aviators post theirs.</p>
<p>Concerned DH</p>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26526</link>
		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 03:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good luck, shipmate.  Keep a dispassionate eye on the possible outcomes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good luck, shipmate.  Keep a dispassionate eye on the possible outcomes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fast Nav</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26523</link>
		<dc:creator>Fast Nav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 02:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll say this, While all of this discussion is incredibly enlightening, it makes me nervous as I&#039;m still in the &quot;not resolved&quot; category and get my last look next May.  Will I screen, I sincerely hope so.  It&#039;s in the hands of the Gods, as they say.

Oh, and speaking for the people not in Navy related commands (I&#039;m at the Army CGSC), no one told me anything about the board.  I had to dig around to find the results.  Luckily there&#039;s an 112o O-5 here who got the word from some friends.

Best of luck to everyone!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll say this, While all of this discussion is incredibly enlightening, it makes me nervous as I&#8217;m still in the &#8220;not resolved&#8221; category and get my last look next May.  Will I screen, I sincerely hope so.  It&#8217;s in the hands of the Gods, as they say.</p>
<p>Oh, and speaking for the people not in Navy related commands (I&#8217;m at the Army CGSC), no one told me anything about the board.  I had to dig around to find the results.  Luckily there&#8217;s an 112o O-5 here who got the word from some friends.</p>
<p>Best of luck to everyone!!</p>
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		<title>By: submandave</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26458</link>
		<dc:creator>submandave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Back in &#039;99 and &#039;00 when I worked the XO/CO board, I remember a couple of COSS getting bumped up to CO, but can&#039;t speak to the same with XOSS.  Before the heavy tank sessions, there were a couple of light ones: first to vote to de-select folks that had previously screened due to specific events (DUI, libery incidents in Haifa involving MMs, nipple rings and toungue kissing, etc.) and a second to review previous COSS to see if they wanted to redesignate them fully screened.

As to E.P.&#039;s experience, few things in my reserve time have been as painful or made me appreciate not being a active 1120 as watching those boards unfold.  It was a very sobering experience to see all those good, highly capable boat drivers get left behind.  As I&#039;ve said before, in my opinion there was too much Rickoverism in the boards I worked (&quot;select X, he&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;good nuke&lt;/i&gt;&quot;) and I felt that the sub force was limiting its talent and skill available for post-CO jobs.  Maybe I&#039;m strange, but in today&#039;s military I just kind-of feel that there&#039;s a difference in the effectiveness of an 1120 who did shore at PG, float-a-type and N87 and one who maybe has NATO experience or worked on a Unified Command Staff when you get to the O-6 level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back in &#8217;99 and &#8217;00 when I worked the XO/CO board, I remember a couple of COSS getting bumped up to CO, but can&#8217;t speak to the same with XOSS.  Before the heavy tank sessions, there were a couple of light ones: first to vote to de-select folks that had previously screened due to specific events (DUI, libery incidents in Haifa involving MMs, nipple rings and toungue kissing, etc.) and a second to review previous COSS to see if they wanted to redesignate them fully screened.</p>
<p>As to E.P.&#8217;s experience, few things in my reserve time have been as painful or made me appreciate not being a active 1120 as watching those boards unfold.  It was a very sobering experience to see all those good, highly capable boat drivers get left behind.  As I&#8217;ve said before, in my opinion there was too much Rickoverism in the boards I worked (&#8220;select X, he&#8217;s a <i>good nuke</i>&#8220;) and I felt that the sub force was limiting its talent and skill available for post-CO jobs.  Maybe I&#8217;m strange, but in today&#8217;s military I just kind-of feel that there&#8217;s a difference in the effectiveness of an 1120 who did shore at PG, float-a-type and N87 and one who maybe has NATO experience or worked on a Unified Command Staff when you get to the O-6 level.</p>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26443</link>
		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2008 02:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh.  That only took a few years.  Wonder what I&#039;ll need to do with this blog when I PCS.

You&#039;re getting a passel of good people arriving in your neighborhood from my neck of the woods in a couple of months.  Sounds like a lot of fun and decent work besides.  Lemme know if I can be of assistance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.  That only took a few years.  Wonder what I&#8217;ll need to do with this blog when I PCS.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re getting a passel of good people arriving in your neighborhood from my neck of the woods in a couple of months.  Sounds like a lot of fun and decent work besides.  Lemme know if I can be of assistance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: E.P.</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26435</link>
		<dc:creator>E.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 19:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chap,
I&#039;ve got another former 1120 (who just selected O-6) two floors down.

On the mailing list of course!

Painfully honest?  I guess some nuke did rub off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chap,<br />
I&#8217;ve got another former 1120 (who just selected O-6) two floors down.</p>
<p>On the mailing list of course!</p>
<p>Painfully honest?  I guess some nuke did rub off.</p>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26431</link>
		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jun 2008 05:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points.  You&#039;re pretty painfully honest; most of the guys who screen also feel that way but they never have to examine it like we do.

If you&#039;re right, I&#039;m outed--you&#039;re the first guy to wander over here.  You on the mailing list, by any chance?  Not many ex-1120s in there.  You know the others in that country?  Drop an email!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points.  You&#8217;re pretty painfully honest; most of the guys who screen also feel that way but they never have to examine it like we do.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re right, I&#8217;m outed&#8211;you&#8217;re the first guy to wander over here.  You on the mailing list, by any chance?  Not many ex-1120s in there.  You know the others in that country?  Drop an email!</p>
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		<title>By: E.P.</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26424</link>
		<dc:creator>E.P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 20:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chap,
I believe I may be Blunoz&#039; &quot;friend from the very non-submarine related post overseas.&quot;  I fall in the similar category as you, a former submariner who successfully negotiated the Scylla and Charybdis of the lateral transfer process.

Blunoz and I had some good discussions about career paths based on his fears from the previous year so I had some good ideas what I wanted to do, and I had put out some feelers regarding options, possibilities and probabilities.  My personal feeling going into the final screening was that if I did not screen, I wanted to lateral transfer.  While there are no doubt good, important and hard jobs for 1120s who have not been an XO, my impression of them from my experience was that they were not particularly fulfilling jobs, rather jobs that &#039;just needed to get done&#039;.

When I didn&#039;t screen my ego was bruised, but not destroyed.  Was I surprised, well, mostly.  I had done two shore tours that were &#039;unconventional&#039; by nuke standards, and honestly my DH tour probably wasn&#039;t everything it should have been.  It just took me some time to get over it. I thought (and well, I still think) that I had something more to contribute to the Navy. And I thought that I could do better than the jobs I saw myself being detailed to.  As you said, there are jobs that have to be filled and interesting jobs to do but you just don&#039;t have all that much leverage with the detailer.

I opted for the lateral transfer option.  So far, I&#039;m happy, doing an interesting job, with some good prospects for even more interesting jobs in the future.

By the way, we&#039;re likely in the same community, as we had long discussions in the office regarding the proliferation of &#039;above the zone&#039; O-5 selections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chap,<br />
I believe I may be Blunoz&#8217; &#8220;friend from the very non-submarine related post overseas.&#8221;  I fall in the similar category as you, a former submariner who successfully negotiated the Scylla and Charybdis of the lateral transfer process.</p>
<p>Blunoz and I had some good discussions about career paths based on his fears from the previous year so I had some good ideas what I wanted to do, and I had put out some feelers regarding options, possibilities and probabilities.  My personal feeling going into the final screening was that if I did not screen, I wanted to lateral transfer.  While there are no doubt good, important and hard jobs for 1120s who have not been an XO, my impression of them from my experience was that they were not particularly fulfilling jobs, rather jobs that &#8216;just needed to get done&#8217;.</p>
<p>When I didn&#8217;t screen my ego was bruised, but not destroyed.  Was I surprised, well, mostly.  I had done two shore tours that were &#8216;unconventional&#8217; by nuke standards, and honestly my DH tour probably wasn&#8217;t everything it should have been.  It just took me some time to get over it. I thought (and well, I still think) that I had something more to contribute to the Navy. And I thought that I could do better than the jobs I saw myself being detailed to.  As you said, there are jobs that have to be filled and interesting jobs to do but you just don&#8217;t have all that much leverage with the detailer.</p>
<p>I opted for the lateral transfer option.  So far, I&#8217;m happy, doing an interesting job, with some good prospects for even more interesting jobs in the future.</p>
<p>By the way, we&#8217;re likely in the same community, as we had long discussions in the office regarding the proliferation of &#8216;above the zone&#8217; O-5 selections.</p>
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		<title>By: Chap</title>
		<link>http://gmapalumni.org/chapomatic/?p=3078&#038;cpage=1#comment-26418</link>
		<dc:creator>Chap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 12:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was right ahead of you on the screening process.  The first board I didn&#039;t get anything--crickets--until I found another submariner, found he got the results, and called my detailer.  The one on which I made SS I found out only because I had acquired access.  The one past that I was at sea and on a surface ship; the DH on the submarine in that strike group didn&#039;t know he didn&#039;t make it because (I guess) the squadron or higher didn&#039;t want to tell him the bad news at sea.  Unfortunately for that plan, strike groups have email and chat nowadays...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was right ahead of you on the screening process.  The first board I didn&#8217;t get anything&#8211;crickets&#8211;until I found another submariner, found he got the results, and called my detailer.  The one on which I made SS I found out only because I had acquired access.  The one past that I was at sea and on a surface ship; the DH on the submarine in that strike group didn&#8217;t know he didn&#8217;t make it because (I guess) the squadron or higher didn&#8217;t want to tell him the bad news at sea.  Unfortunately for that plan, strike groups have email and chat nowadays&#8230;</p>
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