Did Jay R. Grodner Commit A Felony?
Blackfive reports that he may well have. In any case, as Blackfive tells it, the lawyer Grodner appears to have both chutzpah and an annoying attitude towards us military types. And what’s with this?
After sending the car to the body shop, it was determined there is $2400 in damage, making this a felony. Mike [the Marine whose car was damaged] went to court Friday morning to collect the damages against Mr. Grodner and file felony charges. Though the damages are over $300 (the amount which determines felony or misdemeanor) Grodner offered Mike to pay his deductible, $100, and have Mike’s insurance pay for it.
The lawyer wants the insurance company to pay for what happened?
Moral to the story: Don’t key a Marine’s car.
Update: The hearing’s complete. Blackfive has an update which matches a FReeper’s account of the hearing; as these guys put it, Grodner didn’t show up until after a bench warrant was put out for him (but before the warrant was executed) and the case will continue without the Marine having to miss his deployment. The case will have its day in court.
39 Responses to “Did Jay R. Grodner Commit A Felony?”
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December 31st, 2007 at 6:54 am
Sounds to me like a lawyer in need of a good caning.
December 31st, 2007 at 8:54 am
Do you have even the slightest idea if this is true? Does Blackfive?
That hasn’t stopped you – via Blackfive – from disclosing this man’s identity, and in the comments section, his personal contact information. Along with some VERY thinly disguised threats.
Maybe you all should think twice before posting this sort of stuff … that is, unless you’re prepared to see your neighbor post your personal information along with some inflamatory story on the Internet the next time you complain about his dog barking.
December 31st, 2007 at 5:06 pm
Jay Grodner is as ugly as his actions make him out to be. I found one of his many dating site profiles by googling “jayrg8″. The bare chested pic almost made me barf…
[Edit: duplicate of this comment on Blackfive. Follow the link for the rest of the comment.]
December 31st, 2007 at 5:11 pm
Hello, air-dropped new reader! Well, we’ve got a police report and a Marine’s description. That is better sourcing than many newspaper articles I’ve seen involving, say, Marines.
“You – via Blackfive”? What are you smoking? First, you’re wrong if you think that I’m responsible for the content of another’s site. Second, note that the so-called “personal information” on B5’s site is all stuff that’s already on the Internet. You know, published. Advertised, even.
So what’s your connection to this guy?
December 31st, 2007 at 5:31 pm
Military Hating Lawyer Keys Marines Car…
We need to get this story viral quickly. From Blackfive:Marine Sgt Mike McNulty is on activation orders to Iraq (second tour). On December 1st, 2007, Mike went to visit a friend in Chicago before deploying to say goodbye. In order……
December 31st, 2007 at 5:58 pm
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December 31st, 2007 at 6:57 pm
My connection with this guy? None. I got here through a trackback link from another site.
You’ve got somebody’s secondhand e-mail with his own description of a police report and his own version of the story. And you posted the man’s name yourself. You don’t take responsibility for the information you link to? Okay, readers are warned.
Your personal information is probably traceable and available on the Internet. Would you like to see it posted on an Internet blog along with an inflammatory story and encouragement to harrass you?
Check out your own comments section if you don’t think that’s true.
December 31st, 2007 at 7:22 pm
Mr. ’scout’,
There’s not much doubt here about what happened. There’s a police report (Blackfive will send you one if you ask nicely) and some actual court procedures with real, you know, records and names and stuff. So you might as well lay back and enjoy the fun. Of course if you like defending scumbags, be my guest, but there are probably more productive ways to spend time.
December 31st, 2007 at 7:23 pm
Hey Scout, you wouldn’t happen to be a friend of Jay R. Grodner, now would you? Or maybe a Marine hating leftist? Just asking.
December 31st, 2007 at 7:41 pm
Scout,
I’ll take Black Five’s word over yours.
In any case. Too late for Jay.
www site – gone
phone #s – gone
Google over 1600 hits so far.
Chicago police – on the look out for a suspicious guy named Jay with mud on his license plates or is it a burned out bulb in his tail light or maybe his tires are under-inflated or hell maybe he smelled pot smoke and his car needs to be “inspected”.
January 1st, 2008 at 3:09 am
Hey, thanks for proof positive there is a bottom of the barrel.
January 1st, 2008 at 6:47 am
What, did you find a mirror?
January 1st, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Funnily enough Scout chaps work is freely available on this system of tubes. Helps even more that he has an unusual name, hell some of his papers could even be called interesting.
Of course he doesn’t go around scratching the shit out of other peoples cars, so maybe people might be less likely to find him an object of contempt.
January 2nd, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Hey Chap… congrats! You got trolls! You’ve arrived, My Man!
/sarcasm
And a belated Happy New Year to you and yours!
January 3rd, 2008 at 3:09 am
So, ’scout’…theoretical question. If Kos had posted a story about a Marine who had keyed an anti-war, far-left lawyer’s car and had posted said Marine’s *work* information, would you be defending the Marine with the same protestations?
Don’t answer all at one, boyo.
January 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
Scout…
Why don’t you do some research before you open your big frikin’ leftist mouth… It’s people like you scout “LIBERALS” that are wrong with this country… Opening your mouths before you do any research, or know what your talking about… Did you get from hanging around Rosie O too much? Or was it Al Frankin? Or Whoopie? It’s got to be one of them because you guys have too much in common. As for his information (Grodners)… He put it up on the internet himself on his website for anybody to freely access. No legal violation. So do everybody here a favor and and go crawl back under you rock.
January 3rd, 2008 at 11:23 pm
scott for your viewing.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass_03jan03,0,1836149.column?page=2&coll=chi_tab01_layout
No Marine would hurt or cause bodily harm to Mr. Grodner. He is a part of this society we call the United States. He has a right to voice his opinion but not to take his personal feelings out on just anyone he feels like. He is now paying the price for selecting the wrong individual to voice his opinion. His information was freely available to all by just Googling his name.
If the Man would just pay for the Damage he has caused and give a public apology to the Marine then this would have been much to do about nothing.
I am very proud of the Marine Sgt. for not taking the matters in to his own hands. Just think if he had beat the crap out of Mr. Grodner. The story would have made huge headlines “Marine beats Anti-War Lawyer”. The Marine now has the backing of his entire Marine Family ( All those that are, or were, married to, and/or relative of a Marine) and the other respective services.
Some one once wrote there are the Sheep(the Majority), the wolf( the enemy) and the Sheep Dog( the protector of the herd).
Sometimes the Sheep Dog will nip at the sheep to remind them who protects them.
Semper Fidelis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semper_fidelis
January 4th, 2008 at 3:47 am
Hey all you have to do is read the Chicago Tribune – http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass_03jan03,1,7689603.column . They have used the Freedom of Information act to get all of their info. Would you doubt the writer’s integrity? By the way all of that lawyers information is public knowledge, he F&%$#@ himself by messing with this Marine. I personally left him an email and a phone message, and since he doesn’t mind ‘causing this kid some inconvienience’, well I do not mind causing him some. I am delighted that he has learned that he should have paid the $2400 in damage, raher than try to screw this Marine over for the fact he is one.
Mr Grodner is entitled to his opinion and stupidity, but he is not above the law and does not need to get away with defacing this Marine’s car as well and breaking the law , PERIOD. His juvenille prank can cost him inconvenience , since he wanted to mess with one, we can take care of this Marine by simply expressing our opinion to this scumbag about how it makes us FEEL… after all that is not against the law. Semper Fidelis!
January 4th, 2008 at 5:20 am
Jay Grodner fulfills _the worst_ in anti-Semitic stereotypes.
Disgusting!
January 4th, 2008 at 8:19 am
I was figuring it was more some guy being a jerk and trying a little identity politics to get by, rather than being a stereotype…
January 4th, 2008 at 9:04 am
Scout…I found out about this from the Tribune article. After reading it, I’m in firm belief this guy is immature-childish…and should pay the consequences of his actions. If he wants to have his opinions (short-sighted as they are), he can have them. If he wants to start a dialogue to try and understand others opinions, there are many of us who would sit down at a table to listen…reason…come to an understanding…and possibly, agree to disagree. But when you purposefully destroy property, or harm someone else, now you reap what you sow. The story in “question” according to how you see it, isn’t in question…he was arrested. He was late for court. He did give excuses and reasons for not showing up, just barely getting in before the arrest order was executed. This isn’t in question. You also mention us giving out his information here on this site. Again, I knew of it from the Tribune article. There’s no new information here, that I haven’t already learned about.
Fred was absolutely right, when he said no Marine would harm Mr. Grodner. I would restate that to say, no ‘HONORABLE’ Marine would harm Mr. Grodner. Sgt. McNulty has shown true honor to the uniform. Grace under pressure. Mr. Grodner is now able to defend himself with the very same freedoms that military men and women have fought and died through the ages to secure for him. I find him to be nothing more than a hypocrite.
Every person in uniform can take a page from Sgt. McNulty’s response. It is a shining example not just for the every military man/woman, but to all of us! The old saying, “Once a Marine, Always a Marine” is echoing in my head right now. From one Marine to another…I’m very proud!
January 4th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
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1. Your name: ____________________________________________
Street Address: ____________________________________________
City: _____________________ State: _____ Zip: ________________
Home Phone Number: ________________________________
Cell Phone Number: __________________________________
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2. Name of Lawyer you are complaining about: Jay R. Grodner
Name of Law Firm: Jay R. Grodner and Associates
Street Address: 625 Deerfield Road -Suite 406
City: Deerfield State: IL Zip: 60015
Phone Number: (847) 444-1500
3. Did you employ the lawyer?
Yes _____
If yes, when was the lawyer hired? ______________________
How much did you pay for the lawyer? ___________________
No X Nor would I ever!
If no, what is your connection to the lawyer? Trying to get reparations for a fellow Marine
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Name of court (for example: Circuit Court of Cook County): ________________________________________________________________
Name of case: _____________________________________________________
Case number: ______________________________________________________
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January 4th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
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January 4th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
It is unbelievable the things that scumbag lawyer Grodner did!! I also commend Sgt. McNulty’s restraint. I would love to hear the answers to the author of the article on the Tribune’s questions – ‘Why?’ and ‘Are you proud’?
I will be keeping an eye on this case. I will check every day for new articles. I hope this jerk gets his day in court and I hope he gets the max penalty for his actions, and loses his license to practice law!! We should get Ellen DeGeneres to mention this story on her show….we know what happens when she gets talking about injustice. The guy would fall off the face of the earth and realize his stupidity ruined his life. Karma – what goes around comes around. He’ll get his someday.
I hope Sgt. McNulty stays a true gentleman and comes home safely. Thank God for fellow Americans like him!
January 5th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Unfortunatly this type of thing is not a random occurance. I live down by Ft. Campbell and returning heroes are finding their houses have been robbed while they are overseas.
The worst part was the Gold Star familys were given a trip to Anihime, CA the beginning of December to be with others in the same circumstances. While they were gone one of the familys had there house broken into and everything stolen. They had most of their stuff stolen and all of the familys christmas presants. The soldiers second death aniversary was 12-9 just a week after they got home. A number of groups gathered together raise money for this Gold Star family and get their house fixed. It is nice to know that there are more of us that want to help than want to hurt. This is a link to it on the news.
http://www.wsmv.com/video/14818087/index.html?taf=nash
I don’t know if you can put this on your site but if you would the accout to help this family is as follows.
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January 5th, 2008 at 1:05 am
I also commend McNulty’s honor and self control. I am a retired USAF Master Sargeant. I helped pull Marines out of the collapsed barracks in Beirut.
I would not have been so honorable Mr. Grodner. I am closer to your age, and I would have kicked the shit out of you. No “thinly veiled threats” here.
January 5th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Actually, it is not a bad idea to let the Marine’s insurance company pay for the vandalism repairs. After they have done so, the insurance company has the right, under subrogation, to go after the pepetrator causing the damage, in this case, Jay R. Grodner. The Sergeant is deploying, and will be gone but the insurance company will still be here with their own attorneys, plenty of prosecution money and savvy, and an ability to counter any legal maneuvering.
January 5th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
What do you figure “scout” is a lawyer, has a connection with lawyers, or is from some lib tard blog? Perhaps “scout” is really just scouting homosexual hook ups with “bears” like Grodner, since according to at least three or four sites, Grodner has homosexual sex with gay hookers in churches to protest “oppressive religions”. Of course, there’s no way to know if it’s true unless you ask the guy. So, scout, do you engage in homosexual sex with gay hookers in churches like Grodner?
My connection with this guy? None. I got here through a trackback link from another site.
You’ve got somebody’s secondhand e-mail with his own description of a police report and his own version of the story. And you posted the man’s name yourself. You don’t take responsibility for the information you link to? Okay, readers are warned.
Your personal information is probably traceable and available on the Internet. Would you like to see it posted on an Internet blog along with an inflammatory story and encouragement to harrass you?
Check out your own comments section if you don’t think that’s true.
January 6th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Hey, Rexx, that’s a good point. Let the [edited] lawyer try to take on the insurance company’s lawyers — now THERE’S a fight he won’t win. Ruining this jackass’ reputation and putting him out of business is far better revenge than just punching him one in the schnozzle. Good on McNulty for not kicking Grodner in his non-existent nuts — that shows true Marine honor, and physical violence would just have put the grenade back on his side of the court as well.
*I* would have punched Grodner in the schnozzle, but at my age, I can get away with it.
But this retired Navy officer is also a card-carrying socialist, and as far left and liberal as they come, so people, quit equating liberalism with cowardice. Just because Pelosi and Reid are spineless doesn’t mean we all are. There’s nothing dishonorable about caring whether kids have food and shelter and health care. There’s nothing cowardly about opposing a war based on lies, started by a wartime-deserting chickenhawk for the purpose of profiteering.
And as far as I’m concerned, supporting the troops means BRINGING THEM HOME, and let the chickenhawk war cheerleaders go put THEIR asses where their mouths are. You can love your country without blindly saluting the idiots who are trashing it, after having been illegally installed — twice — into power. Remember, our oath is to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC — and a brain-damaged drug-addict who calls the Constitution “just a goddamn piece of paper” is an enemy of all who swore that oath.
Living in Chicago, I’ll note that what McNulty did was both illegal and dangerous — the roads around here suck for $#it — but after Iraq, potholes and three-foot-wide streets and the worst drivers in the country probably don’t bother him much. If I’d seen him backing up on a one-way street, I’d have said, “Yo, man, gimme a minute and I’ll move my car!” It’s not uncommon to have to circle the blocks a few times to find a parking space within a mile.
But even putting a piece of paper under a windshield wiper is also considered a crime here. Destruction of property is taken VERY seriously. Grodner is one of those arrogant piles of dog vomit who thinks he can get away with a serious crime because he’s a lawyer. What McNulty needs is someone local with “standing” (a personal and vested interest — maybe his college friend?) who can sue the crudhead for all he’s worth.
Let’s keep this one in the news, people! (Minus the insults to us liberals.)
Come home safe, McNulty and buddies! Hoo-rah!
January 6th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Please don’t lump all liberals together. I’m just left of center, so that qualifies me as one, but I’m an Army vet, 30th Engineer Battalion. I can’t stand Bush and I will do everything I can to prevent Hillary from making it to the White House. One thing I can’t stand is any attack on our Armed Forces by the civilian population. I hated what was done to the Vietnam Vets even though I was a youngster during that time and I’m not about to allow it for any of our current soldiers and sailors. I have a brother, Jac, who is still messed up after his service in Bosnia. At least he’s alive and he has my support.
What happened to Sgt. McNulty should never go unanswered, and for that I am grateful to the blogger community. I hope that scumbag lawyer goes to jail and gets to meet relatives of servicemen and women. Anyone who would attack, even indirectly, anyone who serves our great Nation deserves his backside handed to him on a platter. So please do not group liberals together. I, personally, do not want to be lumped with the likes of PETA or anyone who hates our military.
January 18th, 2008 at 3:33 am
You folks are being awfully nice about this. I hope I never run across this scumbag. Would love to spend a few minutes to discuss things with him. May not change his mind, but he sure as hell wouldn’t ever want to f### with another Marine or any other military as far as that is concerned. Retired Gunny.
January 19th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
Rebecca, what does his being Jewish, if he is, have anything to do with this?
I’m pretty familiar with all the stereotypes for Jews, but frequent car-keyers is a new one to me.
This guy’s a scumbag no matter what religion he chooses to follow, don’t you agree?
January 20th, 2008 at 5:03 am
I think Rebecca meant that (1) anti-Semites spread lots of lies and half-truths about Jews in general and (2) Jay Grodner shows that, while not all Jews are the way the anti-Semites describe them, Grodner himself comes close to some of the bad parts of the descriptions.
I for one think very highly of the Jewish people in general and (in all my naïveté) am more shocked when a Jew acts disgracefully than when someone chosen at random acts disgracefully.
January 20th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
The only reason that identity group was mentioned at all was that Grodner tried to weasel out of a citation by the policeman by claiming bias. It’s nothing to do with the group in question, just Grodner trying to get out of trouble.
There’s an update to the story…
January 21st, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Yes, let’s get all hysterical and hyperventilating, and pretend that a minor childish act of vandalism is actually grounds for disbarrment… or better yet, a lynch mob!
Sheesh. You people really are obedient little tools of the talk-radio machine, aren’t you? Hating the military isn’t a crime; vandalism is, albeit a trivial one. Screaming for Grodner’s head, trying to get him disbarred, and inventing “clever” ways to skin, behead, or sodomize him for this “horrible act” says a lot more about how pathetic YOU are than Grodner is.
January 21st, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Oh, yeah, we got us a leak from nutland here. Poor thing.
February 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
There seems to be a great deal of attention to “after the fact” events. I seriously doubt any of this dialogue would have arisen had the driver of the BMW complied with existing traffic laws to begin with. Backing a vehicle down any street creates innumerable public safety hazards, regardless of one’s military status.
February 2nd, 2008 at 6:46 am
Weak try indeed.
Here’s your Rice-A-Roni for playing; next contestant please.
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